The Future of Health with Naveen Jain: Eliminating Chronic Disease, AI, Gut Health and Longevity.

“It's not like you come home one day and say, honey, I was out with the boys last night drinking, and I think I might have caught diabetes. You don't catch that, but you don't wake up catching heart disease. This is something you develop over a long period of time.”

Today I have the pleasure of speaking with Naveen Jain, serial entrepreneur and philanthropist. We discuss the future of medicine and health. We dive into AI, gut health, how we can eradicate chronic disease, and so much more. 

Naveen is the Founder of my favorite gut and cellular health company, Viome. You can save on Viome tests with my link: viomehq.sjv.io/kayla

More about Naveen

Naveen Jain is a serial entrepreneur and philanthropist driven to solve the world's biggest challenges through innovation.

From local boy to lunar visionary, Naveen sees beyond the current business and technological landscape, creating companies that make a true impact. As the founder of Viome, Moon Express, World Innovation Institute, TalentWise, Intelius, and Infospace, Naveen is an intensely curious entrepreneur who is focused on audacious ideas that push humanity forward.

He is the author of the award-winning book, Moonshots: Creating a World of Abundance, the creator of Mindvalley, Masterclass programs, and behind XPrize a global future positive movement and on the board of Singularity University.

A man who knows no limits and an icon propelled by his imagination, Naveen pushes big dreams into action, spurring massive cultural and technological change. His audacious vision and magnetic personality continually inspire others to follow what feels impossible.

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Naveen Jain (00:02)

Okay. Wonderful. So Naveen. It is such a pleasure to have you here with me today.

Naveen Jain (00:07)

Well, Kayla, I'm really looking forward to our conversation.

Kayla Barnes (00:10)

Oh, absolutely. Me too. So I want to start kind of in the beginning and know that you came from a humble upbringing, and from there to where you are today is just so incredibly inspiring. Can you talk to us a little bit about that?

Naveen Jain (00:23)

Yeah, obviously, I hate talking about myself, so I'm going to try to keep it brief any time. It doesn't matter where you come from. It really matters what matters to you in life. How do you define your success? How do you live your life every day and how you measure your success? And in my opinion, it has always been about number of lives we can improve, not amount of money we have in the bank. And I really think with that, I really always felt that it's really easy as an entrepreneur to create an amazingly audaciously great company. If you stay focused on one thing and one thing only is what can you do today that will improve people's lives? And if you can find a way to help a billion people live better, you can create a 100 billion or a 500 billion dollar company. But you don't go start in the morning and say, I want to create a $500 billion company, what should I do? So making money is always a byproduct or an outcome when you do things that makes people life better. And that's why I think if I'm saying, Kayla, I love what you stand for.

Naveen Jain (01:34)

You dedicate your life to actually improving people's brain health, improving people's mental health. And as long as you're staying focused on your purpose, everything will fall in place. People come to you, people stay with you because you're dedicating yourself to helping them. Not helping yourself. Helping yourself is simply a byproduct of what you do for them. And that is the kind of an entrepreneur I'm always proud to be working.

Kayla Barnes (02:04)

I love that answer. And I couldn't agree more. It's such a pleasure to have a purpose. I wake up every morning with a purpose, but then that purpose is aligned with what I'm doing as a career. So it's an incredibly important piece, I think, to doing great things is to be inspired every day by what you do. And you clearly are. So that brings me to my next question. You talk a lot about moonshots. What are moonshots and what's yours?

Naveen Jain (02:31)

First of all, moonshots are these audacious course that most people on the surface believe are difficult, if not impossible to achieve. And what I find really is that the bigger the problem, not only is bigger the opportunity, but I think it's easier to solve a bigger problem than to solve a small problem. And the reason I say that, Kayla, is that when you are doing something that is so audacious, that changes the trajectory of how humanity is going to live. You attract the best and the brightest to work with you, because the best in the brightest want to work on the toughest problems. And number two, people who are successful, they want to be significant. They want to work on things that are legacy generating. That's something that changes the way people live. And I really think and that attracts once you attract a great talent, it attracts all the investment because people say these people are doing audacious things and look at the team that they have assembled. So to me, it all starts with some purpose. And I think, as you said, you get up in the morning because you have a purpose.

Naveen Jain (03:37)

And I really think that's a fundamentally every entrepreneur should ask themselves when they wake up in the morning and they don't jump out of the bed, they should quit what they are doing and find the true purpose that makes them jump out of the bed every single day. And when you find that purpose, you're not stopped. You cannot be lying in the bed, not jumping out of the bed. It's because you're doing something that matters to you. And once you find that there is no going back, you keep moving forward. It doesn't matter how many hurdles you find. There is no limit to what you can achieve. Even the people who believe that the sky is the limit and you suddenly realize sky doesn't exist. Sky is a figment of our imagination. And we create these imaginary hurdles in our way because we believe we cannot cross them until we get there and realize there was no hurdle. It was all in our mind. And that's really the way to always go out and change the way people live their lives.

Kayla Barnes (04:45)

Absolutely. And that's so energizing just for me to hear. But I talk about that a lot mindset is everything. So if you believe you can or you believe you can't, that's going to be your limits. I don't know if you listen to Joe Dispenza at all, but he talks about our minds can't really tell the difference. I'm sorry. Our body doesn't really tell the difference between what's happening. So if you want to be successful, imagine yourself as being successful. Don't wait for it. If you want to be loved, feel loved, don't wait for it. So I agree with all of that. But let's talk a little bit about your moonshots. You are in incredibly different areas. And how do you decide to what to kind of focus on? There's so many big things that you could do, but how do you decide what to focus on?

Naveen Jain (05:33)

Absolutely. I think that's a great question because this world is full of problems. I don't think that humanity is going to run out of problems to solve. And what I do is I always find every decade or so, I look at the stuff and say, what do I want to dedicate my next 1015 years of my life to doing that, actually I feel is going to be purposeful for me. So whether it is saving the humanity from potential extinction by actually creating a multiplanetary society. And that's why you see a whole bunch of spaces stuff behind me or my current moonshot is simply about preventing and reversing chronic diseases. And what I see is that there's this epidemic of chronic diseases that we are suffering from, every single one of us on this planet. It's a matter of time that we are going to develop at least one of the chronic diseases. And when I say chronic diseases, you look at obesity, diabetes, heart disease, right? Depression, anxiety, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, cancer, or even aging. These are all chronic diseases. And the fortunate part of the chronic diseases is it is not something that happens overnight.

Naveen Jain (06:48)

It's not like you come home one day and say, honey, I was out with the boys last night drinking, and I think I might have caught diabetes. You don't catch that, but you don't wake up catching heart disease. This is something you develop over a long period of time. And what that means is you can not only prevent it from happening, you can actually stop the progression of it if you can actually change your diet, nutrition. And if you can do that, almost all of the chronic diseases are preventable. And I think as we go along, I want to point out something that I think every one of us has had this myth or at least been brainwashed into that myth, which is our genes are our destiny. We are born with these diseases. And when you develop a diabetes or you develop a heart disease, most people throw up their hands of bad luck. We just had the bad genes. Well, I'm here to tell you something. Your genes actually don't control your chronic diseases. Less than 5% of the diseases are fully penetrant. That means you have a gene mutation and you get those disease.

Naveen Jain (07:56)

Right. And these are called by very special name. They call rare genetic diseases. And you know, Kilowatt, they call rare genetic diseases because they are rare. They're not common. They don't have to be. Right. And all the other diseases are literally completely in your control. And I think I was talking to one of the scientists who was working on a problem around Alzheimer's, and he said he found the gene that actually causes Alzheimer's. And I said, oh, really? Now if you have a gene, are you born with that? Of course you're born with that. And so I said to him, so you believe this gene just sits in your body for 60 years or 70 years, and one day it wakes up and say, you know what? I'm just sick and tired of waiting. I'm going to wipe out your memory today. And he looks at me and says, of course it doesn't happen. I said then what happened? And he thinks and he thinks and he says something must trigger it something must trigger for it to express differently than what it's been doing and I say what if you take away the trigger or a Matchbox?

Naveen Jain (09:00)

Does it really matter what genes you have? And he says you are actually right so it's not the LTM or gene it is the trigger or a Matchbox that we control So it doesn't matter what genes you have it is what matters is what genes are being expressed and you have that complete control over what is being expressed and I think Kerala, obviously you are an expert in this field there are three or four things that actually control our gene expression Number one, the most important part of your gene expression is the food we eat the nutrition every single day Think of a food as a medicine Every food has a bunch of substrate that you're taking they modify what happens to our gut that modify what happens in our body So food is actually one of the everyday drug that we take every day and they have a significant impact on our body the second is stress when we stress our body goes into fight or flight response and that means is constantly releasing the corticoid and I can go through all the signs microbiome can actually convert the cortequoid into different hormones whether it's a testosterone or other and that may actually cause many diseases because in the past the stress is not bad it's a chronic stress that is bad Stress was needed for us to be alive when we see a Tiger in the Bush the stress was good it shut down your digestive system it pumped up the endorphin and you have two choices fight or flight and irrespective of what happened either you became lunch for someone or you survived and if you survived the stress went down and then you were fine Today we live in this world,

Naveen Jain (10:52)

Kayla, where our spouses stress us our work stresses us people around us are stressing us and more importantly we are stressing ourselves worrying about everything that is going to happen and I think someday we can talk about the philosophy of stress It is our expectations that causes anxiety the gap between the reality and the expectations is that gap is what causes anxiety the depression is caused because somehow we have some expectations that are not being that right So my point I'm going to make is we are the biggest source of happiness we are the biggest source of stress we are the biggest source of anxiety and we as people look for something or someone to make us happy without realizing that happiness is inside you when you find happiness you could be sitting in a dark corner and be happy and when you are unhappy inside you could be sitting in a paradise and still be unhappy the point is that stress is second and the third is sleep. You have to get a good night's sleep. There is just no alternative to it. So if I would say that, maybe the fourth thing I would say is just movement.

Naveen Jain (12:11)

You got to be able to do movement, exercise, yoga, do walking, do something to get your body to move. And if you do those four things, most important thing, get the right nutrition. And by the way, this is the problem. I think if you're going to talk about it, the next part of the thing would be how do you know what is right for you? And that's the key. Just because someone told you, like Papa told you that spinach is healthy for you. Papa was not a scientist. A spinach can be good for you. Spinach can be bad for you. Broccoli can be healthy for you. Broccoli can harm you. Curcumin can be good for you and curcumin can harm you. There is no such thing as universal healthy food or universal healthy supplement. And that's a fundamental belief. And that's number one. Number two, as we talked about stress, number three would be sleep and number four would be movements, less exercise. And that's it. You can live really healthy life. All you have to do these work.

Kayla Barnes (13:09)

I could not agree with you more. Yes, food is information and every bite that you take is either fighting or feeding disease. And we're living in a really different time or food. You have to be so careful. It's almost a full time job on checking ingredients and checking the toxins in our environment. So I certainly agree with that. I want to touch on mindset again really quick. So as you mentioned, we can be our own worst enemy. Do you have any morning mindset practices or outside of you being so filled with purpose, what else do you do to keep yourself motivated and keep yourself excited.

Naveen Jain (13:49)

Anytime this is, oh my God, I don't know. So fundamentally, when something happens, we want to assign it a label. Is it good or is it bad? Just by assigning that label, our mindset changes. So let's assume you have a break up. You can say, oh my God, that's the best thing that ever happened. Or somebody would have signed that label. That's the worst thing that ever happened. And the fact really is you and I want to know for a decade if that event was actually good or bad for us in the long term. So we all look at what's happening today and we tend to label it. And I think there was a great Chinese fairy tale that I could give you that actually defines this concept so well. So there was this farmer who wanted to actually create a massive wealth for himself. And he actually said, I'm going to buy a horse that's actually going to be able to go and create lots of business for me. So it ends up buying a horse. And one day and everybody in the village is laughing that this man wants to actually be successful and he's going and buying a horse.

Naveen Jain (14:59)

A week later, the horse ran away and everybody is now saying what a bad luck. The man actually had something and now he lost everything. What a bad fortune. A week later the horse comes back with four mayors and now everybody says, oh my God, that's the best thing that ever happened to you. A week later, one of the horses steps on the Sun's toe and the sun cannot walk anymore. And now everybody's saying you are the worst luck. You only had one son and he was going to take care of you in the old days. Now even he is injured and that's the worst thing that can ever happen to you and everyone. And he's crying. The old man is crying. A week later a troops walk into the village and they say every young man who can walk is going to the war and he's the only one whose son is left and everyone's gone and saying, you're the most lucky man on the planet, that whose son is still with you. And we all lost ourselves. My point is every event was good or bad was simply we did not know until the next thing happened.

Naveen Jain (15:59)

And we do this thing to us every single day. When something happens to us, we assign it to labor and then we start to go into this mindset change that happens to us. All I've learned, Kayla, in my life is when something happens, I simply say, oh, that happened. And I believe the universe is my friend. That means whatever happened is good for me and I just don't know how yet. But universe has all the information and so whatever is happening is in my best interest and I'm going to go move forward. It doesn't matter what that is and just changing that mindset itself. There's no event that I actually react to because I believe it is in my best interest because you know what she's looking after. Does that make sense?

Kayla Barnes (16:48)

Absolutely. Perspective is everything and I always think of it as I'm either going to win or I'm going to learn. So either way, I'm not losing.

Naveen Jain (16:57)

That's correct.

Kayla Barnes (16:59)

Absolutely. So I love all of that. Thank you for sharing. I want to talk a little bit about violence. So when you talk about chronic disease, we know that so much of it is linked with inflammation or our gut health. Can you talk a little bit about why you wanted to start violence?

Naveen Jain (17:14)

Sure. Yeah. I think Kayla, I started violence six years ago with a fundamental belief that we can actually now understand the human biology at a molecular level, what's happening inside the body. Once we know what biochemicals are being produced in our body, we will be able to adjust them by using the food as a medicine and if you were to do so, we will be able to find a way for people to stay healthy for a long, long time. So first thing we started doing was understand what is happening. So we actually at my own. We get a few drops of your blood from the fingerprint, we get a touch of a stool. And very soon, Kayla, we're going to be adding saliva to it, right? And now we're going to have a complete body from the if you look at the human body, there is a tube that goes through us and we look at the top of the tube, the bottom of the tube and the other side of the tube. And then we actually collect the whole thing. And then by analyzing everything using the machine learning, we are able to not tell you not only what's happening in your body, we give you the insight what's your biological age looks like.

Naveen Jain (18:18)

That means how are you aging inside? Number two, what's your immune health looks like? What is your gut health looks like? What does your cellular health looks like? What does your mitochondrial health looks like? How do your cells respond to these different types of stress that your body is getting and the 400 other deep inside? But that's not it, because that's all signs. Then we tell you what to do about it. So we come back and say, okay, we noticed that your sulfide production in your gut is too high. And because the sulfide is coming from eating a lot of sulfate, and the foods that are high in sulfate are broccoli and cabbage and process sprouts, you should try to avoid them for a while until you sulfide production subsides. We noticed that your oxalate metabolism is not very good right now. That means you should not eat foods that are very high in oxalates, such as spinach. And then we say, wow, we notice you have lot of ammonia production, and ammonia is very inflammatory. And we saw that it's coming from protein fermentation. That means the protein that you're eating is not being digested in your body.

Naveen Jain (19:24)

And now you have two choices either to cut down the protein or take digestive anxiety. And then we tell you exactly here are the foods you should be eating. And here is why. And then we go even step further. We tell people, don't take these supplements that are harmful to you. For example, vitamin B three. If your uric acid production is very high, we say, look, don't take niacin because that's going to turn into a cold. So don't take niacin or vitamin B three right now because uric acid production is high. Everyone thinks that turmeric or curcumin is good for anti inflammatory. Guess what? It's not. When you buy acid production is very high, the last thing you want to do is to add traumatic to it because it converts into bilateral, causing more damage. Similarly, a lot of people who want to live long. What are they told? Take, NAD, NMR, they are actually going to be good for you. But guess what happens? They are really bad for you if you have high sellers, innocence or high inflammatory activities. And then we come back and say you do need every single day, 22 milligrams of Alderbury, 27 milligrams of Barbara, you need 28 grams of amylase.

Naveen Jain (20:40)

And we literally go through every single vitamin, minerals, herbs, food extracts, digestive enzymes, amino acids. And we tell you, what is it that you need every probiotic, every prebiotic. And guess what, actually, if you want, we can actually make them for you on demand, robotically. That means there is no pre made capsule. We literally make every capsule with only the dosages, with only the ingredients that your body needs and nothing that it doesn't need. Right. And we make those capsules and ship it to you every month. And when you do a retest, you don't have to take our word isn't working or it's not working. You can see it for yourself. And our belief is it's not about having a faith. It's about having the facts. So when you do a retest, you can see is your biological age getting better? Is your immune health getting better? Is your gut health getting better? And not everything is going to improve at the same time. So some things are going to improve, others are going to take longer. And when you continue on the regimen and you start to see the other things in food, and that to me, is really the long term journey to stay healthy.

Naveen Jain (21:46)

And guess what, every time you do a retest, we say, oh, now you can eat broccoli and cabbage because you sulfide production subside. And by the way, you can take turmeric and vitamin B, C now, but you don't need Burberry or elderberry anymore. And we read just everything that your body needs every single time. So as you constantly are adjusting, we fine tuning our recommendations based on how your body is changing and adapting to the new diet and new food. And I think, Keller, as you said, food is the information and our body is the computer. So when you change the input, the output changes. Not a rocket science. Right. And that really is about science and the math and chemistry is all we applied here.

Kayla Barnes (22:30)

Absolutely. It's incredible. And that's exactly what people need. This is really falling under the precision medicine category. Yeah.

Naveen Jain (22:38)

Yes, absolutely correct.

Kayla Barnes (22:40)

And you talked about AI helping to power your recommendations. What do you think? Well, first of all, talk about how AI works in this case, and then also I think it's a mutual friend of ours. But Sergey Young, he talks a lot about the future of medicine. And I would love to hear how you think AI is going to play a role in that.

Naveen Jain (23:01)

First of all, remember when you have this massive amount of data so every time we analyze, we are creating so much data, there is no human being could potentially ever in their lifetime analyze one person's data, let alone hundreds of thousands of people data. As you know, we have now analyzed over 325,000. There's no way human beings could do that. And that requires a massive amount of machine learning or artificial intelligence. So it's able to see people who have this happening in the body. Does this work or not? And every person who joins is benefiting from the 325,000 people that came before them. And guess what? They contribute to the knowledge so that everybody in the ecosystem benefits. And that's the whole idea is that once you become part of this ecosystem, everyone benefits everyone else. Because as we are learning and as we are learning, everybody is constantly benefiting from that learning. And that is the beauty of actually working with the machine learning. It is constantly changing and adapting as our learnings are improving. So next time you actually get a better learning because there are other 100,000 people that have contributed to the data.

Naveen Jain (24:16)

Right? So everyone in the system starts to benefit from that purpose. And without the machine learning, our health is too complex for it to ever be left to try and error. And that's the fundamental problem we have in today's healthcare. There are two big problems. One is I don't know how to say it. I'm not trying to say that people are bad, but our health care system, it has a very different incentive. If you look at our medical industrial complex today, everyone from doctor to the hospitals to everyone makes money when we are sick and no one makes money when we are healthy. And I don't care how good people they are, that is just a misaligned system. Imagine a system where they made money when we are healthy and no one made money when we were sick. So their incentive would have been to keep us healthy, not to keep us sick. Right. But let's set that aside. Other thing is the way we develop drugs today, literally on a trial and error, we give it to 10,000 people and we say, oh, 2000 people benefit, about 20%, 80% did, but that's better than no one benefiting.

Naveen Jain (25:26)

So guess what happens now? You're taking a drug that does not work for 80% of the people. Now, imagine any other product or a service you go and try to sell to someone. Let me tell you something. You're about to buy something. There's an 80% chance that it won't work for you. How many of them do you need? People are going to laugh at you literally what happened? Why is it that it's not designed for you? And the reason is because these pharmaceutical companies want to have one side fits all and they want to make a massive amount of money. They don't want to look at what's happening with Kela, what's happening with Nabil. And maybe he needs completely different thing that Kela does. No. And that really is what we're trying to solve. Can we use food as a medicine which is completely personalized to each individual at that time? So it's not personalized for you for lifetime. So it's not that when we say don't eat broccoli, you're done for life, it is at that time. And as your body changes, we make the recommendations change. And that's the only way you can ever have a precedent medicine that actually is taking advantage of AI.

Naveen Jain (26:36)

So AI is your friend. Ai is what actually helps us understand the data. And it doesn't mean that human beings are going to go away. And someday when we have more time, we can talk about what does the future of AI and humanity looks like. Are we going to be at a point where AI is going to take over and the humans are going to become slave or the humans and AI are going to work together as one and actually be better than either AI or human?

Kayla Barnes (27:07)

Yeah. It's going to be a very interesting future, certainly. So how do you think that we have great companies like yours in the private sector that are doing this wonderful work in precision medicine, but how do you think or do you think it will happen that this can integrate with our mass health care system?

Naveen Jain (27:25)

It is already starting to happen. And I think there are a lot of enlightened doctors. So if you look at the people who are natural, people who are functional medicine doctor, they started to incorporate the food and supplements as a part of the regimen. And our medical industry complex is going to take much longer because to some extent the pharmaceutical companies do not want that happen because to me, a lot of the control of how we are taught medicine is actually if you talk to any doctor today who becomes an MD, they don't have a single course on nutrition. They are not taught about nutrition. Think about that's. The medicine we take every day and we are not taught about that doctor's job is give me the ill, I'll prescribe the pill. And that's literally it. In all other words, they're becoming a salespeople for a Pharma company. That's all they're doing. Which Pharma company I'm going to sell today. Right. But they are not looking to see what is the root cause, what is going on in your Kayla's body that's causing her to have acne? What's causing her to feel tired, why she always have gut issues, why she always have feeling anxiety.

Naveen Jain (28:41)

You need to understand the root cause. And I think as you pointed out, chronic inflammation is a root cause for chronic diseases and our job is to reduce the inflammation. And once you do that, suddenly a lot of the things we called diseases, we realized they were nothing but the symptoms of the inflammation and even cancer now, what we're realizing is that our gut microbiome is the key to many of the diseases. And what we're learning now, Kayla, is that almost every cancer now the solid tumor, they have a microbiome inside the tumor that is protecting the cancer from the immune system. So, in fact, our microbes are relocating into the tumor and actually symbiotically protecting the cancer. And now what we are able to do is to understand what is causing the onset of a cancer. And I think just to give you an idea, we just got a year ago, we got FDA breakthrough device designation to be able to diagnose stage one, the earliest possible cancer in the mouth and in the throat. The stage one breakthrough device designation by FDA for detecting stage one or cancer or stage one throat cancer.

Naveen Jain (29:54)

Now we are launching that as a laboratory developed test to a consumer who is above 50 years old, has a history of smoking, vaping or chewing tobacco. They'd be able to spit in a tube and week later realize whether they have a cancer or not. That is a kind of breakthrough. We don't start to see. We'll be able to now do the breast cancer. So we're not looking at whole bunch of other diseases and Chronica cancer. We're looking at GI cancer, colorectal cancer. We are even working with the pharmaceutical companies to develop the vaccines against these cancers or autoimmune diseases rather than have a constant biologics that are pumping in our body to suppress our immune system. What if we can get to the root cause and stop the disease from happening in the first place? And those are the kind of things that I am personally proud of, is to be able to prevent the diseases from happening, diagnose them as early as possible while they are still curable, and then to be able to find a cure for the diseases that are simply today, people have to take a drug for the rest of their life.

Naveen Jain (30:56)

Can we do a one time drug that would show the disease rather than actually keep you sick for the longest time and keep your credit card alive?

Kayla Barnes (31:05)

I love that. And early detection is key, just as you mentioned. So you're doing some incredible things with early detection of cancer. But what is kind of like the Naveen Jain testing protocol? What do you do and how often?

Naveen Jain (31:20)

I actually test myself every four months or so. And every time I follow the volume recommendations. And I'm also doing a whole bunch of things. So, for example, we are going to be now launching other diagnostic tests as we go along. So test for IBS, test for IBD, test for, by the way, leaky gut. So we are actually developing the test that could actually have us detect in the blood, something called LBP lipopolysacride binding protein. That's the number one way to detect if you have a knee cut or not to be able to measure your inflammation in your blood. When we do your blood transcriptomics, when you give us a few drops of blood, we're looking at every gene that is expressed in the human body, all the mitochondrial genes, all the psychokines which are inflammatory, inflammatory. And based on that, we are able to see how is your TNF Alpha? How is your interlookin one, interlookin two, interlocutan T three. And we look at all the interlocutors to see what is going on in your body. What can we change in your nutrition that will allow the gut microbiome to release a different molecule that will reduce the pro inflammatory signals and increase the antiinflammatory signals.

Naveen Jain (32:29)

Right. So release the beauty of that is going to actually suppress the immune system and decrease things like LPs, decrease, such as ammonia and sulfide. These are the things that cause the inflammation to go up. Right. And that's really how we constantly are adjusting. And my goal is to constantly analyze as you can see, I'm wearing my order ring. I'm wearing my Apple Watch idea is constantly looking at what is going on in my body. How am I sleeping, how much am I moving? So remember we talked about the sleep and the movement and the stress. So I'm looking at my heart rate. That tells me how my HRV is moving. And by all of these things doing so, I use Wyoming for my nutritional needs. And then I use other devices to understand how is my sleep behavior, how is my movement? Am I getting at least my 1012 thousand, 15,000 steps every day? And then I monitoring my stress by monitoring my heart rate variability. That tells me how stressed I am getting during the day. And that gives me a chance to take a deep breath and say, okay, I'm going to take a very deep breath.

Naveen Jain (33:39)

So I'm doing exactly what I told you. The four things that better. Following all four things.

Kayla Barnes (33:45)

I love it. And I have my aura ring on, too. And have you used a continuous glucose monitors?

Naveen Jain (33:52)

Absolutely. I've done the CGM. But the interesting thing is when you do the wire test, you don't need the CGM anymore. We, in fact, built in the CGM into our recommendation. So this is what we did, Taylor. We actually took, I think it was 1200 people in two separate continents, put them on a continuous glucose monitoring, fed them 35,000 different types of food. So we were able to predict for what food is going to be, what you glycemic response based on your unique microbiome. So we analyze your microbiome and we say, oh, based on this food and your microbiome, this is going to be the glycemic response. So when we make the recommendation for you, we are already taking advantage of your glycemic response that you're going to measure from your CGM that is already built in. So your CGM is built into your biome recommendation.

Kayla Barnes (34:40)

Amazing. Yeah. And volume is incredible. And I'm going to kind of share some of my results with my audience and let them know how everything is going. Because even if you have a great diet, you're getting proper sleep. There's all sorts of factors that can disrupt the balance of your gut mug your biome. So, yeah, it's an incredible, incredible option. So you are talking something about Pharmaceuticals maybe being like a one time thing and correcting the disease. I find this so interesting. And there's a lot of these longevity drugs out there that people are interested in, like rapamycin or metformin. What are your thoughts on those? And can you talk a little bit about how this one time pill may work?

Naveen Jain (35:22)

I think it's going to be a one time pill for each individual. I do not believe it will ever be a one think fits all. That means we will find something that is going to work for everyone all the time. It is just not going to happen because our human bodies are too complex and too different from each other. Our ecosystem in our gut metabolizes that drug very differently. In fact, when you take metformin, we actually published a paper, Kayla, that actually can predict whether your metformin is going to be able to control your diabetes or not simply by looking at your gut microbial. Right. So we can analyze your gut microbial activity and we can tell you, look, metformin is not going to work for you. So imagine so. It's not that metformin is going to work for everyone. It's going to work for certain people. And by changing your gut microbiome, maybe the metformin can work, but it is not going to be that everyone take care of the ice in or take a metformin and you're going to live for a long time. For example, take any of these things in a rhythm withdrawal or pick a name you want.

Naveen Jain (36:22)

I don't think it is going to be that. It is going to be for each individual at that time, not forever. That means when you are 20, maybe you need completely different set of nutrients today than when you are 30 or when you're 40 or when you're 50 and you have to constantly change. And I just said I analyze myself every four months and I know the things that used to be bad for me. In fact, now I can eat them and they actually are beneficial to me. And the things that are beneficial, I eat too much of them. And now they say I need to cut them down so I can actually bring the balance back. And that's really the key is to have a fine tuning concept.

Kayla Barnes (37:00)

I completely agree. So you were talking about your aura ring. How many hours of sleep do you usually get a night, if you don't mind me asking?

Naveen Jain (37:07)

Unfortunately, I'm not getting as much sleep. And the reason is because I am just so excited about life. But I do try to get at least between six and 7 hours of sleep every day.

Kayla Barnes (37:20)

Very good. And it's really about the quality of your sleep too. So if you're hitting those deep and remedy.

Naveen Jain (37:25)

I do get a very good deep sleep and I get very good ramps. And that's because I really have no anxiety and things except that when I wake up I get up 04:00 a.m. Every single day and I jump out of the bed. It's just my part of this being joyful.

Kayla Barnes (37:39)

I love it. That's amazing. Do you have any sleep hacks anything you do before bed to kind of enhance the quality of your sleep?

Naveen Jain (37:46)

Honestly, I work and when I feel this time I go to bed early. So I normally go to sleep by and that gives me a very good pattern between 830 and I go to bed and I get up around 04:00 and that gives me enough sleep and I have very good routine in the sense that I get up in the morning, I do a bit of meditation in the evening. I just calm myself down by simply just taking a deep breath and call the meditation what you want. And then I hit the blow and I'm out. And in fact, my ordering tells me I fall asleep too much. That means I must be too tired. I fall asleep within three minutes hitting the bed.

Kayla Barnes (38:28)

Oh yeah. You're going to get a red bar there for sure for that time? Yeah, definitely. So what about any other biohacks? There's cold therapy and red light therapy. Is there anything that you really love or what is your routine kind of look like?

Naveen Jain (38:42)

Honestly, there are a lot of people who talk about that, how people should take a cold shower. And really, even if you take hot, at least the last minute of it break really cold water and shocks the body. And it may be but there is not enough signs that is out there yet that at least it does. But nonetheless, there is no harm in doing it. So yes, I do it and I'm not going to tell that everyone should do it. There's not enough science, but there's so little harm. But if there is no harm and I said just go do it. So I would say yes, that is good. And I think same thing in a red light therapy, whether it works or not. The point is it's not harmful and that's all really matters. That can you do these things that are not harmful to you and may actually be beneficial to you?

Kayla Barnes (39:34)

Have you experimented with like ozone therapy or anything of that nature?

Naveen Jain (39:39)

I have done everything, to be honest with you, but am I regular answer is no, except drugs. I have experimented almost with all other biohacking, but psychedelics and drugs is not something I ever experimented with.

Kayla Barnes (39:52)

Yeah, absolutely. So I want to talk a little bit about brain health as you know, my audience is very interested in this, and I think that a lot of people don't prioritize brain health sometimes because they think of it as something that they'll deal with later. But we know that neurodegenerative diseases began developing in the brain 20 to 30 years prior to every presenting a symptom. So how do you think maybe what you're doing now or something that you might do in the future? Do you have any plans for any brain health projects?

Naveen Jain (40:24)

Absolutely. First of all, brain health or mental health, both of them are directly connected to your gut health. In fact, as you mentioned, the symptoms of Parkinson's actually may not show up until 20 years. It starts in the gut 15 to 20 years before you see the first symptom. Depression, anxiety, they actually start in the gut. Autism. In fact, every kid is autistic. They'll tell you they also have gut issues. People who have brain issues, they also have gut issues. So to me, the gut and a brain is connected together via the vagus nerve, and that is the key. What happens in the gut, just because we call it a Vegas nerve, doesn't stay in the gut. So what happens in the gut doesn't stay in the gut. It impacts your whole body. In fact, your brain. In fact, when people who do the Wyoming test and they follow the recommendation, take our supplements. We, in fact, have published a paper that shows your depression. Clinical level of depression, measured by PH 29, comes down by 36%. Your anxiety measured by Gaby 7% comes down by 32%. And now there is a tremendous amount of research that shows your oral health.

Naveen Jain (41:35)

The oral microbiome and your gut microbiome are directly connected to Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. In fact, there's so much research that shows that improved oral health and improved gut health is going to be the key for all of your brain health. And that's the reason we're adding saliva now to our test to be able to actually understand all the things that are happening in your oral health, just like the leaky gut that allows the bacteria to get into the bloodstream. Imagine when you have a leaky gum, when your gums are leaking with the brain, guess what's happening? All the microbes are now getting into the blood, causing constant inflammation. And many of these organisms, in fact, start to in fact, the blood brain barrier, making it permeable. And once the blood brain barrier becomes permeable, just like the gut permeability. Now you have infection in the brain. And if you look at the things Eugene cells release the amyloid beta to protect from the infection, and that amyloid beta becomes actually the tangled up that causes many of the neurodegenerative diseases. So it's not removing the amyloid beta. That's the problem. It's infection and the blood venture permeability, that's actually the problem.

Naveen Jain (42:48)

So root cause is not root cause actually starts when you have a leaky gum and leaky gut that causes the blood value to permeable. And that's the reason a great oral health and great gut health would actually lead to a great brain health and great mental health.

Kayla Barnes (43:03)

I'm so glad that you brought that up, because I talk a lot on my page about the relationship between oral health and brain health. And I think it's something that's really overlooked. I think there's been a lot of talk about the link between cardiovascular health and oral health. But I think definitely brain health and oral health is a little bit being overlooked here. So that's so exciting. Any idea can you share with us when the saliva test is going to be available?

Naveen Jain (43:28)

I would say we are currently planning in the Q two of this year. So it's going to happen soon.

Kayla Barnes (43:33)

Amazing. Well, keep me in the loop and I'll definitely share with my audience.

Naveen Jain (43:39)

Absolutely.

Kayla Barnes (43:39)

Yeah, that's great. So we've talked a lot about different modalities that could be coming in the future. How long do you think it's going to take to actually see some of this stuff?

Naveen Jain (43:50)

Well, I just said we are starting to see the results today. I mean, we get every single day thousands of emails where people are telling us they no longer have depression or anxiety, people who have Acne or Eczema is disappearing. People are sleeping better. And in fact, they're more energy than ever. People who have good diesel system things. People used to have stomach aches, which are really IBS like symptoms. We have people who tell us that IBD, which are chronic colitis, they are actually no longer taking biologics because the things are improved so much. Right. So point is, all these things that we used to see that people obviously losing weight, that's one big thing. People are saying they cut down the amount of diabetes symptoms. They are no longer even prediabetic anymore. Right. And these are all the things people are constantly telling us how they are improving, simply us focusing on reducing the inflammation in their body. So I really think even though we are doing these diagnostic tests and the Therapeutics, if you ask me truthfully, my success in the next 15 years is going to be if there is no need for diagnostics and therapeutic business, that means no one is sick to do diagnostic disease and no one ever needs a therapeutic because they're not sick.

Naveen Jain (45:09)

And then we as humanity have won. So it's not my job to build my diagnostics and therapeutic business. In fact, I'll be the happiest man on Earth when those two business completely shut down because there is no need for them anymore because we are able to prevent these decisions from happening in the first place. And that will, I think, would be and everyone else can be very proud when that happens.

Kayla Barnes (45:32)

That certainly puts a big smile on my face because that would be absolutely incredible. That's what I love about my community is that I want optimal health for everyone, not just to feel okay, but I think so many people, they wake up in the morning, they drag themselves of the day, they don't have energy to do what they're most passionate about, whether it be work or show up for their friends and family. So if we could get to that point and I know that you're definitely one of the people to make it happen, that would be so incredible. I want to talk about the biological versus chronological age. So what test do you think is most accurate and how are you guys gauging it at violence?

Naveen Jain (46:13)

First of all, we are the biggest data set that we have ever been created. So we have analyzed over 325,000 samples that I was mentioning to you. And based on that, we are able to actually build your biological age, which is the largest data ever collected on humanity. Right. So that age is probably the most accurate biological age that can ever be done. And what biological age means is how well is your body aging internally compared to your chronological age? Just to give you an idea, I am 62 and I'm ten years younger now because I have been, in fact now actually reduced my biological age by ten years. And my hope is when I turn 70, my biological age will actually be down to 45 or 40. And that means I am actually chronologically always want to be aging because alternative is not very good there. Right. But biologically, I want to be at a point where I have the same energy when I had when I was 40 years old. That means my energy level, my physical capacity to do things, my mental capacity to do things is still at a 40 year old.

Naveen Jain (47:17)

And you can see I have more energy today than when I was actually 40 years old. I had lost £20. I look better, I feel better. I have more energy. And to me, that is a biological age at work right here, not that 62 years old. I run up the stairs, I don't walk up this.

Kayla Barnes (47:39)

Yeah, absolutely. And you look great. And you can just tell that you feel so good, which is the amazing thing. And I think that you and I both want that for everyone.

Naveen Jain (47:48)

Yes. I really hope that every one of your audience take it on themselves to take the control of your health in your own hands. You are the CEO of your own health. Don't let someone else tell you what you can or cannot do. Do the Wyoming test. Find for yourself what you need to be doing. And when you do that, you will find yourself to be at the most optimal level. Suddenly, you will find the creativity that you never thought you had, the anxiety and the depression, things that you thought you were just part of your life may disappear. And the fact that you thought you can't sleep or you had no energy is going to suddenly come back and that to me is really the living your life to the fullest.

Kayla Barnes (48:30)

Absolutely. Well, I want to thank you for all the work that you're doing at violence where you're taking pushes in medicine and just really working to help people optimize their health, their health span and their lifespan.

Naveen Jain (48:45)

Keller, first of all, I want to thank you for being such a great host and doing what you do and everyone who's listening to it. Please drop a love to Kayla because she does this with all full dedication. She's not doing it for herself. She's doing it to bring this amazing knowledge to you and people like her are the people who are going to actually be what we're going to look in the future to see if she changed the way people live their lives. So, Kayla, my hair is up to you and I hope everyone who is listening to it will drop you in love because how much hard work you do for those people.

Kayla Barnes (49:20)

Oh, thank you so much. That means everything and thank you so much again for being here.

Naveen Jain (49:25)

Thanks a lot. Can look forward to continue working with you.